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Renewable stacks up against carbon-capture regime

28 Jul, 2009 10:08 AM
CAPTURING carbon dioxide emissions from power generation will cost as much as generating electricity from renewable sources, according to recent research from Harvard University.

A discussion paper by researchers from Harvard's Energy Technology Innovation Policy program titled Realistic costs of Carbon Capture found it would cost $US100-150 per tonne of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions avoided, based on 2008 prices.

By 2030, they say, these costs would have fallen by 65 per cent as the technology is developed and economies of scale take effect, to about $US30-50 per tonne of CO2 avoided.

The cost estimates exclude the costs associated with transporting and storing captured CO2 so the paper takes $US20 per tonne as an illustrative additional cost - as well as any benefit from enhanced oil recovery when CO2 is injected into depleted oil reservoirs.

The paper finds the range of estimated costs is within the range of plausible future carbon prices, implying that mature technology would be competitive with conventional fossil fuel plants at prevailing carbon prices.

The cost premium for generating low-carbon electricity with carbon capture and storage is found to be broadly similar to the cost premiums for generating low-carbon electricity by other means, where mid-case estimates for cost premiums over conventional power generation at present are mainly in the range of about US10c-25c per kilowatt hour.

Comparing carbon capture and storage with other forms of low-carbon electricity generation, the paper found onshore wind at a good site was the lowest cost option. Carbon capture and storage costs were comparable with those of nuclear plants and offshore wind. The top end of carbon capture and storage's cost range was comparable with the cost of concentrated solar thermal, but had a likely cost below that of solar photovoltaics.

Rupert Posner, director at the non-profit Climate Group, said the Harvard findings were consistent with previous research but cost comparisons depended on the location and there was a large degree of uncertainty about long-range cost estimates.

"With [carbon capture and storage], as with a whole lot of other technologies, we don't really know what the costs are going to come down to in the years ahead, but what we have to do is invest in them and find out," he said.

"We actually have to get our hands dirty" to find out.

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But what happens when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing? Wind power has failed in Europe where it's been used for 20 years, but still hasn't been able to reduce emissions, or stop coal or nuclear power being used. Too many groups with green ideals, but no practical experience.
Posted by andy, 29/07/2009 7:47:00 AM
Andy - get with the programme - have you heard of solar thermal power? Baseline stored solar power. An Australian development driven offshore to America by the lack of support from the previous regime.
Posted by John Newton, 29/07/2009 10:05:16 AM
Andy- I assume your comment is addressed to Europeans. Where I am, the wind never bloody stops, and we're always wondering when chronically coy clouds are going to pay us a visit with some decent rain.
Posted by GT, 29/07/2009 10:06:25 AM
Personally I agree that we must, as a matter of urgency, reduce the pollutants we put into the air. Mercury and asbestos were known killers in ancient times. The simple and complex chemicals we push into the air, land and seas, should be seriously curtailed as soon as possible - they too are poisoning us. However, we need a positive attitude to this. Wind and solar power may not work well when there is little wind or sunshine, they can be stored. What about using some sort of a heat sink and store the energy underground to be reclaimed as required. Why is it that Australia, with massive desert areas and associated solar energy sources, cannot use the same imagination as the Germans who say they have solved the problems of long distance power transmission and that they could power the whole of Europe from a solar facility in the Sahara desert. I have no way of proving if global warming is man made, natural or a combination of the two. The reality is that on one hand it is taking place and on the other hand we are pouring millions of tonnes of harmful pollutants into and onto our habitat every year. I can’t say it too often - we have to be positive about this.
Posted by Peripatetic38, 29/07/2009 10:11:52 AM
The bucolic attraction to renewables is clearly very strong. Denial about the limits of their practicality has spawned a whole blue-sky industry of energy storage that refuses to do proper costings. When the costing is done, it is clear that the cheapest solution is nuclear. With breeder reactors available it is not constrained by limited mining resources. Its Achilles Heel though is people's skewed risk perception and a yearning for the Holy Grail of 'clean' energy.
Posted by wakeup, 29/07/2009 11:40:31 AM
Actually wind in Europe is so successful that Denmark is moving to 50% wind power by 2025 and Germany is planning a major upswing in wind production to reach 30% by 2025. China just announced the "3 Gorges of Wind" which will have China producing from an additional 70,000MW of wind turbines for an output of 200% of what the Three Gorges Dam currently produces each year. And all this for half the price of the Three Gorges Dam project. Solar thermal plants with storage exist dispatching power all night long from thermal batteries known as molten salt storage - search youtube for Andasol, Torresol, Solar-Reserve and PS10
Posted by Matthew Wright, 29/07/2009 5:32:54 PM
Wakeup: Actually fast breeders do not exist but solar thermal with storage does, do a search on the internet for the fully costed projection of solar thermal with storage by the US Department of Energy and independently verified by Sargent and Lundy the engineering firm the banks use to validate Coal, Gas and Nuclear projects. "Assessment of Parabolic Trough and Power Tower Solar Technology Cost and Performance Forecasts" Sargent & Lundy LLC Consulting Group Chicago, Illinois 3.2-5cents per kilowatt hour for power from solar thermal with storage -- blows the nasty nuclear and filthy coal away.
Posted by Matthew Wright, 29/07/2009 5:37:13 PM
What a joke, anyone who says wind can reduce emmisions clearly has no technical knowledge of grid systems.

Andy is totally correct that in Europe emmisions have never been reduced by masses of wind power, in fact they have continued to increase. The only European country to reduce emmisions have been the French who produce about 80pc of electricity from nuclear.

Those claiming Denmark and Germany get that much power from wind do not let you know there is a constant back-up from hydro in Scandinavia and coal in Germany.

Wind is basically a taxpayer-funded system, that wouldn't even exist without subisdy anywhere in the western world.

Posted by mick, 29/07/2009 7:58:45 PM
Would someone please be able to give me evidence that windpower reduces emmisions? I'm yet to see any coal generation shut down anywhere in the world where there is wind generation.

It would seem the companies involved with wind like to keep the figures very close to there chests, it's nigh on impossible to find production data in Australia, and yet the industry is highly subsidised.

If power produced by wind was able to be analysed we would have a better idea of if it works. Until then, with no evidence, I see no reason why it must be working.

Posted by andy, 29/07/2009 8:15:42 PM
About a year ago, a wind development company asked us to consider turbines on our property.

At first, we thought it might be a good idea, but upon getting our soliciter to go over the contract we were warned against it for numerous reasons - we would have been responsible for noise, fires, and any other untoward things that could happen, including the neighbours loosing value on their land.

If this is the way these companys operate, then I would suggest that they will have a tough time gaining a foothold in australia. Much more friendly to go with solar. And solar thermal is much better again. This is where we should be directing our focus.

Posted by seth, 29/07/2009 8:34:21 PM
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